Chat with other believers about Medjugorje.

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By mamamary
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i remember when i was younger, learning a sport, the coaches would have us constantly repeat certain moves so that we would not only learn it well with our mind but that it became 'muscle memory' almost instinctive moves that mind and body do together as a musician would have while playing a piece of music. to me, this is how our lady wants us to be with prayer, so that in times of need, we instinctively go to prayer in a complete and harmonized way with mind, body and spirit. she teaches us that the more we do, the more is opened up to us. those who choose to stop that conversation with God, to end the replenishment of God's love thru prayer begin a journey away from him and then fill those places in their heart with the non-spiritual. likely this is why so many of us turn to drugs or drinking or physical escapes. these things are poor substitutes for the loss of Divine love.
By kim52
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This Pope confuses me and I go to my confessor with questions about his statements. Personally these messages help me and are easily understood. Reading the comments here I see insights into deep thinking and probing every single word. I just trust my Mother and know she is leading us!
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Speaking of the Beatitudes and Pope Francis.. He gave this emotional homily today or yesterday.. I liked it so much I printed it out and I will read often. His words are pastoral, merciful, and he hurts for those who suffer. For me Pope Francis speaks the language of Medjugorje. Everybody may not agree, but it is what I hear.

Pope: only the path of the Beatitudes can save us from the devastation of creation, of morality, of history, of family, of everything
During the Mass celebrated in Rome’s Verano cemetery, Francis speaks of the three "images" of a passage from Revelation: "the first, devastation, the second the victims and the third, God." "May the Lord give us the grace of courage to emerge from all this destruction, devastation, relativism of life, the exclusion of others, exclusion of values, exclusion of all that the Lord has given us: the exclusion of peace".


Rome (AsiaNews) - Only the path of the Beatitudes "will save us from the devastation of the Earth, of creation, of morality, of history, of family, of everything", helping us to cast aside the attitude in which man believes himself God and discards people and nations. This was the message at the heart of Pope Francis' homily - entirely off the cuff- delivered during Mass at the Monumental Cemetery of Verano, Rome.
The Pope reflected on the first reading from the Book of Revelation, where the angel cries with a loud voice to the four who were given power to damage the land and the sea, "Do not damage the land or the sea or the trees until we put the seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God..". The Pope said that this brought to mind a phrase that "is at the heart of all of us: 'men are capable of doing this better than you.' We are capable of devastating the Earth far better than the angels. And this is exactly what we are doing, this is what we do: we destroy creation, we devastate lives, we devastate cultures, we devastate values, we ravage hope. How greatly we need the Lord's strength to seal us with His love and His power to stop this crazy will to destroy.
"Destroying- he continued - what He has given us, the most beautiful things that He has done for us, for us to carry forward, to nurture, to bear fruit ... When I looked at the pictures in the sacristy of 71 years ago [depicting the WWII bombing of the area of San Lorenzo where the cemetry is situated -ed], I thought, 'This is so grave, so painful. This is nothing in comparison to what is happening today. Man takes over everything, believes himself to be God, to be King. And the wars, wars that continue, not exactly to sow the seed of life. To destroy. But it is the industry of destruction. It is also a system of life, that when things can't be fixed they are discarded: we discard children, we discard the old, the young are discarded without a job ... This devastation that is the result of the culture of waste. We discard people".
The Pope then spoke of the second image, also taken from the First Reading: "This great multitude which no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language ... The people, people ... It's starting to get cold in the Northern hemisphere: these poor people, who have to flee for their lives, their homes, their people, their villages, in the desert ... and they live in tents, they feel cold, without medicine, hungry ... because the god-man has taken control of creation, of all that good that God has done for us. But who pays for the party? Them! The young, the poor, those who were discarded. And this is not ancient history: it is happening today. 'But Father, it is far away ...' - It's here too! Everywhere. It is happening today. I will say more: it seems that these people, these children who are hungry, sick, do not seem to count, it's as if they were of a different species, as if they were not even human. And this multitude is before God and begs, 'Please, salvation! Please, peace! Please bread! Please work! Please, children and grandparents! Please, young people with the dignity of being able to work! '".
There are also between those who are persecuted for their faith, those "dressed in white" in the passage from Revelation: "'They are the ones who come from great tribulation, and their robes are made immaculate in the blood of the Lamb.'" "And now, without exaggeration, today on the Feast of All Saints - the Pope said - I would like us to think of all these, the unknown saints. Sinners like us, worse off than us, destroyed. Of this multitude of people who are in great tribulation: most of the world is in tribulation. And the Lord sanctifies the people, sinners like us, but He sanctifies these people in tribulation".
There is a third image, "God. The first, the devastation; the second, the victims; the third, God. God: 'We as of now we are children of God,' we heard in the second reading. 'But what we will be has not yet been revealed. But we know that when he appears we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is', that is: hope. And this is the blessing of the Lord that we still have: hope. Hope He will have pity on His people, mercy on those who are in the great tribulation and compassion for the destroyers that they will convert. And so, the holiness of the Church goes on: with these people, with us, that we will see God as He is. And what should our attitude be if we want to be part of this multitude walking to the Father, in this world of devastation, in this world of war, in this world of tribulation? Our attitude, as we heard in the Gospel, is the attitude of the Beatitudes. That path alone will lead us to the encounter with God. That path alone will save us from destruction, from destroying the Earth, creation, morality, history, family, everything. That path alone, but it will bring us through bad things. It will bring us trouble. Persecution. But that path alone will take us forward. And so, these people who are suffering so much today because of the selfishness of destroyers, destroyers of our brothers and sisters, these people go on with the Beatitudes, hoping to find God, to find ourselves face to face with the Lord in the hope of becoming holy, at the time of our final encounter with Him. "

"May the Lord - concluded the Pope - help us and give us the grace of this hope, but also the grace of courage to emerge from all this destruction, devastation, relativism of life, the exclusion of others, exclusion of values, exclusion of all that the Lord has given us: the exclusion of peace. Deliver us from this, and give us the grace to walk in the hope of finding ourselves one day face to-face with Him. And this hope, brothers and sisters, does not disappoint".
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By ActionReq
#217116
kim52 wrote:This is messed up
I am calling you to adore my Son so that your soul may grow and reach true spirituality
True spirituality.
Yeah go ahead with your washed out spirituality.
Did you ever have a spiritual encounter with Jesus or Mary?
john 14:12 wrote:Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
Did you ever cure anybody? When was the last time that you resurrected anybody? Are you doing greater things than that Jesus did? So do your truly believe?
There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.
You see. If you were not able to match the words of Jesus, then all these words will condemn you in the last day.

It is all simple logic. Some boolean functions with the words of Jesus, and the answer is that the words of Jesus judge that you are not truly believing because if you were, then you would be doing greater things then He. You see that the words judge you? You should be tuning your faith over these words. Try until those words become reality. If you can't see the logic, you simply don't want to.
Not that your prayer isn't welcomed in the heavens. However your spirituality is deficient. QED. And it is demonstrated with these judging words from Jesus and the non judging words from Mary.
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By ActionReq
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But Jesus, not the Pope, spoke of what happens to those who live and judge only by the law. They themselves will be judged accordingly in the same way. That’s scary!

Jesus also said: “Blessed are the merciful for they will be shown mercy.” (Matthew 5:7) That’s encouraging!
I want to be judged as I judge, because I search righteousness not mercy, because blessed are the merciful for they will be shown mercy. In truth I can tell you: The merciful do not search for mercy, they search righteousness.
Read the beatitudes all the way until the word righteousness.
Nobody ever does that while you are supposed to every Thursday. That is how I got to this insight.
Get your spirituality in order. Please. And don;t tell me that righteousness is to get the goodies.
Funny enough the next words are: Judge not, that ye may not be judged, for in what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged, and in what measure ye measure, it shall be measured to you.
And if I search righteousness I want to be judged with everything that I judged because i want righteousness.
But if you don;t want to be judged for your judgement, then judge not and pray then you will be judged for your fruits through the words of Jesus from the gospels. And if you judge not and pray not then That is really scary.
By kim52
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Well my Priest helps me to understand. Other than that I just trust and believe me it is a struggle. As for my temperature running hot or cold when during a religious experience Action Req, thats foreign to me. ps My priest says marriage will always be between a man and a woman.
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By ActionReq
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Well my Priest helps me to understand
As you speak, your priest is your eyes.
And you have no way to know if your priest can see.
What I think is that Gospa wants to change that.
Not because I tell you to distrust your priest.
It is because it is unlivable in this world where
herds of people are led astray.
Marriage is a bond between a man in the flesh and a woman in the flesh.

If anyone wants to change that it is impossible.
But something new can be invented.
But you can't call it marriage, call it harriage or something.