What a great discussion.
It is interesting that today we had our Taoiseach on the radio outlining his views on the referendum, effectively a doctor who inspite of the hippocratic oath was canvassing for the repealists in cleverly chosen language (on his 'evolving' views) on a platform that pro-life people don't seem to get. Or at least I am not sure if they were given a right of reply, because the radio was turned off shortly after Leo started to speak.
But his evolving views,are symptomatic of what happens when God is no longer at the centre. Our beliefs become like shifting sands. A house built on sand doesn't stand. That is why I think we should stick to what Jesus teaches us and Our Lady has advised recently.
“....My children, have faith. When you have faith you are happy and are spreading peace; your soul trembles with joy. My Son is in such a soul.When you are giving yourself for the faith, when you are giving yourself for love, when you are doing good to your neighbor, my Son smiles in your soul.....”
Mary H, This is a very big problem. Our Lady advises that in all difficulties pray, pray,pray (it is from a book that received a nihil obstat). I usually offer my doubts and worries to Our lady and it gives me peace. If you have Jesus in your heart you can show love even to those who push you to the limits. Here is something from St. Therese which I read yesterday:
Always keep lifting your foot to climb the ladder of holiness, and do not imagine that you can mount even the first step. All God asks of you is good will.
One thing about taking matters into your own hands is that it is a consequence of despair. And despair is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit. If someone does say something to get you worked up, then just pray silently: "O Blood and Water...."
It is encouraging to see how many turn up at the pro-life marches.We need a miracle though.
StunnedByIt: Yes, there is probably still a bit of anger and a desire to get one up on the church. Also a yearning desire to show people that they have moved beyond faith. I think Islam could grow in Ireland, but also yoga, mindfulness, angels, etc.
The pro-choicers will use emotive and sugar coated that will demean a baby into something that can be reasoned away without any guilt. False glitter and a lie.
I have intended to read La Divina Comedia in Italian for a while but haven't got around to it yet.
Large segments of Catholic priests are supportive of this rush into secular humanism, feeling this is an appropriate 'mea culpa' for the past sins if the Church. Amazingly, they do not consider this support to be in conflict with their faith, or with the vows of their priesthood. I remember reading that a priest of the ACP proposed that the Church in Ireland stop teaching children about the Church’s doctrines on sexual morality because the Church was out of touch with the wants of the people, and that the people are no longer receptive to what they consider the hypocritical preachings of the Catholic clergy.
Yes it seems like some priests so want to be treated as one of the gang. How isolated some must be feeling. This really is a frightful crisis.
Bluecross, I think the pope's presence and words would have had a powerful impact on the lukewarm.