Medjugorje Forum

mea maxima culpa.

DONEGAL the only County in the Republic to vote NO.

Donegal: Yes 32,559 (48.1%), no 35,091 (51.9%)

What I say here is difficult
and fragile.

The most powerful shield you
can create to protect yourself
and your cause is: Making a
subject politically incorrect and
rely on the ignorance of masses.

The Jews tried that for years and
still try that. The rhetoric used by
them: When anybody says
anything against them is that of
course you are waging against
them, like many antisemitic
leaders and nations had done in
the past. As such you are thrown
on a heap with all other Nazis.
The result is that it is difficult to
say anything against the Jews,
even when a Jewish individual
does something really wrong
they can simply bias the public
opinion referring to the Holocaust
and get away with it.
Politically incorrectness blurs our
ability to judge and is acquired
victimizing yourself and the group
you belong to.

The LGBTQ learned from that and
is doing exactly that. At least in
many countries. The Russian
government instated a law with
the purpose to protect children
from being exposed to
homonormativity. In for example
the Netherlands I tried to explain
that I agreed with the fact that
it is ok to not expose children to
anything graphically sexual, and
that the Russian law was a good
start, because they did not
prohibit LGBTQ. You can be a
homo in Russia and you are
respected there no problem.
Well, I was directly marked as a
dirty awful homophobe and
nobody said anything to my person
the rest of that evening.
That is because LGBTQ is a lobby
that biases the masses to feel
that speaking ill of homosexual
individuals is a crime, inflating
all bad things that happen to
them and downplaying real bad
things they do and may have
nothing to do with their being
homosexual.

The same for Muslims. They try
to make speaking ill of individual
muslims a crime. They try to
make the theme politically
incorrect. So once you start
talking about it even slightly
you step on burning ground.

This means the war in Israel
or must I say Palestine, is a
propaganda war, where all
words you use will always be
used against you, because any
negativity stated even against
real objective negative subjects
are immediately perceived as
personal insults and blamed on
your racist bias you have against
the group.

Therefore there is no solution
and you may simply judge that
the situation is insoluble because
nobody seems to be able to
get along with nobody there.

Europe blames the Russians for
trying to kill Skripal and shooting
down MH17 airplane. But it is not
the same thing to say:
1-The Russians shot down MH17
or
2-Russians shot down MH17.

Number 1 implies that Kremlin
decided to shoot down the plane.

Number 2 implies that some
russians shot down the plane.

Number 1 is the same as saying that
because a British radicalized Isis fighter
slit throats in Syria, that the Brits
were slitting throats in Syria.
Now imagine Putin saying to the
British government: You Brits
are slitting throats in Syria. Then
they show some movies and pictures
and more evidence to the Brittish
government demanding explanations.
The British government will react and
say they have nothing to do with
that. Logically.

You see they play all kind of dirty
games to get you on their side and
to get the masses behind them in
order to justify all kinds of ill.
I don;t know how much longer this
will continue. But it tires me much.

Let the evil still be evil and the good
still be good.
Let us have more trust in God open
our hearts to the gifts of God be
more silent, adore Jesus during the
mass as much as possible.

bluecross wrote:

People were bringing little children to Jesus, for him to touch them.

In 1973, eight years before Our Lady began Her visitations at Medjugorje, the United States surrendered to Satan in the landmark legal decision known as 'Roe v. Wade' which made abortions legal. By the time Our Lady made her first visit to the visionaries, about ten million innocents were slaughtered in the U.S. As of the present, we are up to about sixty million.

Since the Medjugorje apparitions first began, the world has tallied about 1.3 billion abortions. The number is much larger if you start counting from the "Roe" decision.

What a repugnant crown abortion has won for itself. Compared to abortion, all other forms of induced killing, whether by man or nature, shrink to insignificance. Can that be true?

The Rwandan Genocide killed only 800,000
How about the Crusades a long time ago? Numbers vary between 3-9 million.
Hitler and the Nazis only managed around 11 million.
How about the "Black Death" in the mid-fourteenth century? At a minimum, that plague killed 50 million.
The worldwide influenza epidemic of 1918 did better than that with almost 100 million.

Let's see if we can get serious by adding up the deaths for all the wars of the 20th century. About 260 million. Not even close to abortion.

Abortion is deadlier by far than any natural or man-made killing mechanism. In terms of lives lost, abortion is literally the worst thing ever.

And now, fortress Ireland has fallen. Now, the rate of carnage will increase.

Bluecross has posted here that Christ said “Let the little children come to me; do not stop them; for it is to such as these that the kingdom of God belongs."
The world has declared war on these holy innocents, so close to Jesus heart, and we are chopping them up in a mad maelstrom of mankind destroying it's own defenseless young.

The Medjugorje secrets hint at chastisements that are coming, and there has been endless discussion and speculation as to when these secrets will begin to unfold on humanity.

Maybe, just maybe, the trigger mechanism will be the continuing insanity of this murder most foul.

I don't mean to be offensive; but Ireland really has thrown its pearls before swine.
It's taking me enormous self control to remain civil and not cut off anyone's ears as they gloat over their 'win'.
I even had to delete a comment i made earlier because it was so sarcastic and embittered.
Love it bears ALL things. Am i passing Jesus' command to love as he has loved me? No.

Many who voted Yes refused to accept that the unborn was a human being in their own right.
They were referred to as 'potential' human beings, despite numerous posters and ultrasound images depicting a living, breathing human being. They minimised their significance and humanity at every turn.
I don't know what to say except there must be some kind of mass delusion and blindness in operation.
Its the holy spirit's job to convict us of sin, since the judge awaits at all our doors; as said in yesterday's readings.
I don't know what the holy spirit is up to? Are we all impervious to him?

Those statistics about abortion are catastrophic. Now it's unleashed here and people are doing victory dances.

Father, forgive us because we don't know what we are doing.

Weep and lament for today but tomorrow is a new beginning and always bring fresh hope. Trust in the promises of the Lord.

Consider the hope and blessings in the hearts of the 35% of voters who said no. Where does that stem from and where can it take Ireland in the future? While there is life there is hope.

“In short, there are three things that last: faith, hope and love…” (1 Corinthians 13 : 13)

My final say on the matter on this Feast of the Holy Trinity

Now they want the north of Ireland to be next and the pope has not said a word : :
what is happening in the catholic faith
God Bless you all
love Irish M
Ps would love to live in Medjugorje

I can't Thank everyone here on this forum enough for the chats over these past few days.

When the dark gets dark, the light gets brighter & throughout all this; i noticed the shining stars in all this.
I feel blessed to know there are people like you all still out there.

bluecross wrote:Consider the hope and blessings in the hearts of the 35% of voters who said no. Where does that stem from and where can it take Ireland in the future? While there is life there is hope.

This is so full of hope, I love it.

There was a really low turn out of voters in my local area; only maybe less than 30% of the electorate, I think most wanted to keep their hands clean
and stay home, a bit like how Pilate must have felt.
I hope if it was love and compassion that was the true motivating factor that it will prosper & unity will once again be possible.
Its a lack of trust in God & in his goodness and providence that makes people want to resort to abortion in the first place, to take matters into their own hands, to escape 'the curse'.
Only perfect Love can cast out fear.
Lets hope that where sin abounds, grace will abound all the more.

The beginning of our constitution read like a prayer, that i will still say.

“In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred, We, the people of Éire, Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial, Gratefully remembering their heroic and unremitting struggle to regain the rightful independence of our Nation, And seeking to promote the common good, with due observance of Prudence, Justice and Charity, so that the dignity and freedom of the individual may be assured, true social order attained, the unity of our country restored, and concord established with other nations, Do hereby adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this Constitution.”


1 Peter 2:23
23 When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly.

Maryh wrote:I can't Thank everyone here on this forum enough for the chats over these past few days.

When the dark gets dark, the light gets brighter & throughout all this; i noticed the shining stars in all this.
I feel blessed to know there are people like you all still out there.

bluecross wrote:Consider the hope and blessings in the hearts of the 35% of voters who said no. Where does that stem from and where can it take Ireland in the future? While there is life there is hope.

This is so full of hope, I love it.

There was a really low turn out of voters in my local area; only maybe less than 30% of the electorate, I think most wanted to keep their hands clean
and stay home, a bit like how Pilate must have felt.
I hope if it was love and compassion that was the true motivating factor that it will prosper & unity will once again be possible.
Its a lack of trust in God & in his goodness and providence that makes people want to resort to abortion in the first place, to take matters into their own hands, to escape 'the curse'.
Only perfect Love can cast out fear.
Lets hope that where sin abounds, grace will abound all the more.

The beginning of our constitution read like a prayer, that i will still say.

“In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred, We, the people of Éire, Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial, Gratefully remembering their heroic and unremitting struggle to regain the rightful independence of our Nation, And seeking to promote the common good, with due observance of Prudence, Justice and Charity, so that the dignity and freedom of the individual may be assured, true social order attained, the unity of our country restored, and concord established with other nations, Do hereby adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this Constitution.”


1 Peter 2:23
23 When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly.

Aww Maryhh, so many of us from around the world were praying and fasting with you all for Ireland and we are all devasted, but we know we cannot give up hope. God bless

https://youtu.be/7xIpIfgGTTc

stunnedbyit wrote:Actually, I've had enough of the way you shut down debate BC. You are like a forum cop who shouts down anyone who has different views or insights. You are all too ready to believe that someone is either guided by Satan or a right wing xenophobe. You never have trust that people base their views on their own research. I will free this forum of my "poison", and the rest of the forum members can walk on eggshells around you BC.
You claim to have become a better man after your experience in Medjugorje, but I believe that there is also a bully in you. You verbally batter people who have opinions that you dislike, and insinuate that you know their hearts like a modern day Padre Pio.
As I said, I will remove myself from this forum and follow Medjugorje events some other way.
It's a shame that the crushing of free speech (through accusations) is a feature of this forum.....
Addio

With Maryh, I'd like to say please don't go. Many of us are feeling the way you do about the forum, but please don't go. LOVE your posts!

stunnedbyit wrote:....
As I said, I will remove myself from this forum and follow Medjugorje events some other way.
.....
Addio

It takes many different ingredients to make a cake stunnedbyit. The forum cake would be missing a key ingredient if you stopped posting.

On another note and with reference to the Ireland issue, I am mindful of Jesus' words : I desire that you know more profoundly the love that burns
in My Heart for souls, and you will understand this when you meditate upon My
Passion. Call upon My mercy on behalf of sinners; I desire their (93) salvation.
When you say this prayer, with a contrite heart and with faith on behalf of some
sinner, I will give him the grace of conversion. This is the prayer:

1 87 “O Blood and Water, which gushed forth from the Heart of Jesus as a fount of
Mercy for us, I trust in You.”


I try to pray this whenever I hear/read anyone in the media promoting abortion. I am still getting over the result, it was a shock to be honest. I thought the silent majority were actually on the NO side. Especially when you think about how many would turn up for the NO rallies versus those turning up for the YES rallies.

“Jesus, You said that a mother would sooner forget her infant
than God His creature, and that ‘even if she would forget her infant, I, God, will never
forget My creature.’ O Jesus, do You hear how my soul is moaning? Deign to hear the
painful whimpers of Your child. I trust in You, O God, because heaven and earth will
pass, but Your word will last forever.” Still, I found not a moment of relief.

O Blessed Host, I trust in You when the burdens are beyond my strength and I find
my efforts are fruitless.

O Blessed Host, I trust in You when storms toss my heart about and my fearful spirit
tends to despair.

In all difficulties: pray, pray, pray

stunnedbyit do not leave because of what BC says sure I had a run in with him at one time you say what you have to say thats
what the Forum is for and I wouldn't walk on eggshells around anyone if they don't like what I say that is up to them I give as good as I get so if they don't like that's it Do not leave

God Bless you all
love Irish M
Ps still love you Bc

beloved wrote:Aww Maryhh, so many of us from around the world were praying and fasting with you all for Ireland and we are all devasted, but we know we cannot give up hope.

Thank you so much Beloved.♥ I never could have guessed just how much prayers and fasting were needed.
There surely will be tough times ahead;
Thanks for the link to that video; I really appreciated his words of hope. Didn't realise there was a day of reparation happening in Knock. Will try to be there!

Merlorrich wrote:I am still getting over the result, it was a shock to be honest.

I was the opposite, I would have been shocked if the result was NO.
Every NGO, most of the politicians, celebrities, media, well known Irish personalities, the UN,
the top doctors in the national maternity hospital, the heads of rape crisis centres; All in one chorus calling for repeal.

Now the outcome is known, there is such a horrible ominous sense of foreboding as it will become 'legal'.
I'm trying hard to not 'let my heart be troubled'. I'm relying on God to take me out of the pit.
Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
Psalm 23:4

Blessed be the Lord-day after day he carries us along. He's our Saviour, our God, Oh Yes! He's God-for-us, he's God-who-saves-us. LORD GOD knows all death's ins and outs.
Psalm 68:19-20.

Merlorrich wrote:“Jesus, You said that a mother would sooner forget her infant
than God His creature, and that ‘even if she would forget her infant, I, God, will never
forget My creature.’

This has reminded me of how God's got the whole world in his hands, those babies & their Mothers will be in the palm of his hand.

irish m wrote:wouldn't walk on eggshells around anyone if they don't like what I say that is up to them I give as good as I get so if they don't like that's it Do not leave

Love that Irish M. I agree with you!

we have a priest here in the North of Ireland saying he won't marry a couple for he found out the fellow the girl was marrying voted Yes he must be from the south of lreland he said you can't pick and choose what the lord said so he is not marrying them
God Bless you all
love Irish M

Sadly, we must now write an obituary for an ancient land.

As recently as the 1980s, Ireland was a very very different place than what we see today. But since that time, the country has gone from being a bastion of Catholic conservatism to a place that wholeheartedly embraces positions that would have been unthinkable just a generation ago.

The slide down the slippery slope has been rapid. Just a short time ago, In 2015, Ireland approved same-sex marriage by a landslide.

More recently, former Irish president Mary McAleese, proponent of homosexuality and abortion, bashed the Catholic Church as “one of the last great bastions of misogyny.” She also has been calling for women priests, apparently not comprehending that the Church has already spoken infallibly that this can never happen.

Ireland is a civilization in freefall. Its people are turning away in droves from the message of Our Lady of Medjugorje lest it's truth disturb their consciences.

There is great reverie in the streets as the victors of this battle cavort and dance symbolically on the carcasses of the children they will abort in the future. Ireland has gone down the road to perdition for nothing more than the "right" of a woman to get between the sheets and "have a little fun" at the expense of the voiceless unborn.

The lighthouse on the old head of Kinsale doesn't seem to burn as bright as it once did. We are witnessing the final stage of the disintegration of a once great peoples as Ireland methodically plows under the remnants of the great Catholic civilization they once were.

And when, in the future, the time comes for the price to be paid for this travesty, the wards will be full of weeping and lamentations by those begging pardon for their stain.

Prodigals wrote:Sadly, we must now write an obituary for an ancient land.

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And when, in the future, the time comes for the price to be paid for this travesty, the wards will be full of weeping and lamentations by those begging pardon for their stain.

I think prayer can work miracles. Let's not lose hope.

irish m wrote:we have a priest here in the North of Ireland saying he won't marry a couple for he found out the fellow the girl was marrying voted Yes

I think prayer can work miracles. Let's not lose hope.

Maryh wrote: I was the opposite, I would have been shocked if the result was NO.
Every NGO, most of the politicians, celebrities, media, well known Irish personalities, the UN,
the top doctors in the national maternity hospital, the heads of rape crisis centres; All in one chorus calling for repeal.

Now the outcome is known, there is such a horrible ominous sense of foreboding as it will become 'legal'.
I'm trying hard to not 'let my heart be troubled'. I'm relying on God to take me out of the pit.
Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
Psalm 23:4

Blessed be the Lord-day after day he carries us along. He's our Saviour, our God, Oh Yes! He's God-for-us, he's God-who-saves-us. LORD GOD knows all death's ins and outs.
Psalm 68:19-20.

I think prayer can work miracles. Let's not lose hope.

I know the one-sided bias was strong, I though the Citizens assembly was a fix - populated by experts with a clear agenda. The Oireachtas committee Chairperson (supposed to be neutral ?) was out canvassing for the YES side. But I thought people would be aware of this. The NO side were saying that they were getting a good response at the doors. I thought they did well in the TV debates. The trouble I guess is that one good hour on TV could not undo the gradual programming of people over a number of years. The arguments of choice (false independence) and false compassion seem to have resonated. But you are right Maryh, clearly the bias had an effect. There is now talk of scrapping the 72 hour waiting period (which suggests that they didn't mean it all along) and further introduce legislation to facilitate assisted suicide.

This is a dark hour, but let's pray to the Holy Spirit to lead us to hope as well as to a brighter future. Has God led you out of the pit yet Maryh?

On a positive note: It's amazing the way people pulled together through prayer, words, thoughts, actions and deeds. For the first time in a long while people appeared to be willing to publicly show their faith and face up to ridicule, threats, bullying and assault. I think people can still pray that the legislation will not pass. And people need to pray for an end to abortions.

Prodigals wrote:Sadly, we must now write an obituary for an ancient land.

Our very own John Waters wrote one:
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusi ... n-obituary

Merlorrich wrote:This is a dark hour, but let's pray to the Holy Spirit to lead us to hope as well as to a brighter future. Has God led you out of the pit yet Maryh?

Think i'll have to take it one day at a time Merlorrich, Thanks for asking!
Trying to sing hymns of praise to dispel the spirit of heaviness.
I still get that sinking feeling when i think of what is yet to come. If i think too much about it- i feel sickened so i'm trying to 'get out of my head' more by concentrating on practical things & trying to focus on what my responsibilities are & what God wants me to do.

Merlorrich wrote:I think people can still pray that the legislation will not pass. And people need to pray for an end to abortions.

I'd say they'll bulldoze it through, come high or high water.
It's hideous in so many ways. Our country cannot afford to do this, we don't have the resources, our health service is already shambolic.

Prodigals wrote:Ireland is a civilization in freefall. Its people are turning away in droves from the message of Our Lady of Medjugorje lest it's truth disturb their consciences.

We have all gone astray like sheep. Some were driven out & some went out by their own accord.

Merlorrich wrote:I think prayer can work miracles. Let's not lose hope.

You've encouraged me to pray more that this weapon formed against the most defenceless will not prosper.
We can only over come evil with good.

irish m wrote:we have a priest here in the North of Ireland saying he won't marry a couple for he found out the fellow the girl was marrying voted Yes he must be from the south of lreland he said you can't pick and choose what the lord said so he is not marrying them

I heard also how another priest had kicked out the St. Vincent De Paul clothing bank because they refused to advocate for the No side.
Hope things don't deteriorate further. I can see now how civil wars could start.
Maybe the church should collectively come to a decision on what to do about the situation.
Think saying they just need to go to confession (when they're not even sorry) isn't enough somehow. Maybe a sanction is required?
If Jesus kicked out money changers from the temple how would he feel about those who dabble in human sacrifice and giving to Caesar what is God's?
I think sometimes accepting & tolerating certain 'states of affairs' is like letting God be mocked.
{Good thing it's not up to me though or the fur would fly!}

Maryh wrote:
Think i'll have to take it one day at a time Merlorrich, Thanks for asking!
Trying to sing hymns of praise to dispel the spirit of heaviness.
I still get that sinking feeling when i think of what is yet to come. If i think too much about it- i feel sickened so i'm trying to 'get out of my head' more by concentrating on practical things & trying to focus on what my responsibilities are & what God wants me to do.
....
{Good thing it's not up to me though or the fur would fly!}

Thinking about it makes me sick also. I think Our Lady has covered what God wants of us in the 2 June message:

Therefore, you, apostles of my love, you who know how to love and forgive, you who do not judge, you whom I encourage, you be an example to all those who are not going on the way of light and love or who have diverted from it. By your life show them the truth. Show them love because love overcomes all difficulties, and all of my children thirst for love. Your unity in love is a gift to my Son and me. But, my children, remember that to love also means to desire the good for your neighbor and to desire conversion of your neighbor's soul.

Or at least that is how it seems to me But I guess the messages have something that speaks to each of us. However, I do need to work on showing love, forgiveness and not judging.

Today at mass I was wondering where Our Lady's apostles stand in the view of the Church ?

Never heard the expression 'or the fur will fly' before (or perhaps I did and forgot). Would you like to have all that power ? Anyway, we are lucky God has patience with us and that this is a time of mercy.

Merlorrich wrote:I think Our Lady has covered what God wants of us in the 2 June message:
Quote:

I agree Merlorrich.

Merlorrich wrote:Show them love because love overcomes all difficulties, and all of my children thirst for love.

This really stuck in my head ever since i read it.

Merlorrich wrote:Never heard the expression 'or the fur will fly' before (or perhaps I did and forgot). Would you like to have all that power ?

I was only joking about the fur flying. Suppose it was a private joke when i consider my own personal standards of mercy in comparison with God's. Gods love is unconditional.
No i really would not like to have all that power; i wouldn't be equipped to take all the responsibilities that would come along with it.

Merlorrich wrote:Anyway, we are lucky God has patience with us and that this is a time of mercy.

Thanks for reminding me; we all still got time to make things better and make wrong things right with the help of God.

Maryh wrote: Thanks for reminding me; we all still got time to make things better and make wrong things right with the help of God.

No problem. Let's hope that we are successful.

Merlorrich wrote:Never heard the expression 'or the fur will fly' before

It's an American thing, Mer.
During our early years, the American frontier generated all sorts of colorful ideomatic language expressions.
This one conjurs up the vision of a frenzied vicious fight between two furry animals.

Just read this psalm & it reminded me of God's promises.
Psalm 94
Can a corrupt throne be Your ally—

one devising mischief by decree?

They band together against the righteous

and condemn the innocent to death.

But the LORD has been my stronghold,

and my God is my rock of refuge.

He will bring upon them their own iniquity

and destroy them for their wickedness.

The LORD our God will destroy them.


Recently a maple tree that was planted outside one of Ireland's best known historic colleges- Trinity College- came crashing down
in the middle of the night. The tree was dated back to the 1840's & the collapse came as a shock to those who oversee's these things, who said it was an unexpected event. Apparently they test these trees on a regular basis for health and safety reasons.

Can't help but think of it as some kind of omen or sign...the maple tree is supposed to be a symbol of strength and endurance.

Prodigals wrote: It's an American thing, Mer.
During our early years, the American frontier generated all sorts of colorful ideomatic language expressions.
This one conjurs up the vision of a frenzied vicious fight between two furry animals.

Thanks Prodigals, if you were reading some of the social media commentary in the run up to the referendum, you might have said that the fur was flying - major league style?

Maryh wrote:Just read this psalm & it reminded me of God's promises.
Psalm 94
Can a corrupt throne be Your ally—

one devising mischief by decree?

They band together against the righteous

and condemn the innocent to death.

But the LORD has been my stronghold,

and my God is my rock of refuge.

He will bring upon them their own iniquity

and destroy them for their wickedness.

The LORD our God will destroy them.

very poignant verse that Maryh, makes one wonder.......but having said that - with the final line referring to destruction - the most advisable thing I think is to implore for mercy.

Maryh wrote:
Recently a maple tree that was planted outside one of Ireland's best known historic colleges- Trinity College- came crashing down
in the middle of the night. The tree was dated back to the 1840's & the collapse came as a shock to those who oversee's these things, who said it was an unexpected event. Apparently they test these trees on a regular basis for health and safety reasons.

Can't help but think of it as some kind of omen or sign...the maple tree is supposed to be a symbol of strength and endurance.

Could be Maryh, could be. Let's watch this space. Shortly after the referendum there was a powerful thunder storm. I was talking to a chap who saw it in the distance. He said the sky was multi-colored. Could this also be a sign ? Again I am reminded to focus on asking for mercy.

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