[V madone]

Well Liza, I just hope God will grant my prayer this time, so that I had enough fund to experience Medjugorje.

[Wikileaks]

Liz,there is a lot of work for you!who reported the spammer?thanks anyway.i was just getting comfotable in our 'niche' here and now that.i hope they get that fixed...how they do know that i need xanax,i wonder?

[Liza]

They've read your posts!
Hi to everyone,especially v madone,and you guys too.where is barthes?wik,before i do what you asked me,we have to talk with bart.i can start to work on it,but i dont spill the beans without bartes approval.so you better talk to him.he left us once and my trust is gone...

[Bartes]

I'm here.send me a mail,liz,i think we have to discuss that further.why hurry?let's have a reunion in medj. Let's say on the 28 th of october,that gives everybody enough time to deal with the hundreds of little things.how is that?

[V madone]

They've read your posts!
Hi to everyone,especially v madone,and you guys too.where is barthes?wik,before i do what you asked me,we have to talk with bart.i can start to work on it,but i dont spill the beans without bartes approval.so you better talk to him.he left us once and my trust is gone...

Hi to you too Liza!

[Wikileaks]

28/10/12 i dont know if that's a good idea...

[Liza]

Why not?anyway you guys spend a whole lot of time fussing over symbols.bartes world is full of symbols and everything has to have a (hidden)meaning.w.you should bring that man back to earth!

[Wikileaks]

Sometimes,liz,its a tough thing to explain...you run around the world and things happen.it might be a coincidence,a synchronism or it might be a symbol that stands for sth.else.we are dealing with little things here and i dont think they have a meaning,not more than "caprices de dieu".thats where barti and me differ.an old woman having a vision in a church can be anything and i wouldnt freak out,especially in a place like jerusalem.barti walking through the mud(i guess he told you that story which i can absolutely confirm)however is another thing.like he explains,its a symbol and it means( my thoughts)that you can do a lot things,bad stuff and still rest pure of heart when your belief in god is unscathed and under certain conditions.that's the meaning with which i explain certain things.like bart says: its nothing!we dont need miracles all the time and everywhere,they dont happen often,which is good because our belief in god is not based on evidence,but on faith.

[Bartes]

I said that it doesn't matter,my dear friend.it's like medjugorje,there are christians who believe and there are who believe not,the whole discussion pro et contra is useless as it has nothing to do with our faith.we believe in god either way.the question is on what your faith is based on:the holy word? Or on deeds and miracles that might be or might be not actions of god?therefore we should see medjugore as a present for the faithful and not as an existencial question of christian faith.like you always said:relax.

[Liza]

Not again this discussion,please.hi to v madone!

[Bartes]

Looks like alice in wonderland turns out to be a very serious person.ouch!

[V madone]

Hi Liza!;)

[Wikileaks]

So,what are you guys planning for christmas?24th of december,very innocent...or does it have a second meaning that i'm not aware of?when i think about it,strange but true,nothing never ever happened to us on christmas.new years eve 1996 big problems with barti,all that strange events in j-town,that was in september if i'm right,medjugorje was september,barti again in september,i think.so it's september when we should meet!

[Liza]

You almost got it right.31/8/1997 jerusalem.

[Liza]

Wiki,barti,you two should meet and sort all your tiny little problems out BEFORE we join you .anyway,i dont think this is the right place and way to sort things out.this forum here is for other things than to establish if what happened on this and that day in the past,was whatever it was,that goes on forever now.like wiki already remarked,there are some nice folks out here(v madone f.e.) and you should SHARE your experiences,beliefs and opinions about medjugorje with them.so dont be shy you old geezers,spit it out!and for the rest,well you either spit that out,too or you keep that for yourself,but not some semi-public discussions.

[V madone]

Do share with me.

[Liza]

I must say that i totally agree with v madone .spit it out

[Wikileaks]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhh,i dont know.i really dont.have to think.

[beloved]

Awwwwwwwwwwwwww come on, spit it out! Peace+love ...Beloved

[Wikileaks]

Ok,here is what we are going to do:i will give a complete account of all the events surrounding bartes to liz.liz,you will edit it and show it to barti,who will give his final ok(or not).then you can post it either here,or maybe you find another place.the thing is that a complete account will take time to draw up,then it will be too voluminous to post it here and last but not least some stuff is,let's say it could knock you out.and we should give everyone interested,like beloved and v madone(hi to both of you)the possibility to get the full account,maybe by providing them with another locationon in the internet.i know that sounds a little weird and complicated,maybe somebody has a better idea?guys,help me out here...

[V madone]

I must say that i totally agree with v madone .spit it out

Liz.

[V madone]

Wow, thats a good idea.

[Liza]

Hi v madone ,good idea,yess!

[V madone]

Liz.

[Liza]

Allright,i got some of wiki's papers and it's a mess!i have to bring some order in it,you guys do not care much about time and place and what happened first,what second etc. but how can anybody make sense out of it?!
Wiki?